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Christie Talk - Book Club - September's Book
Mrs McGintys Dead
To celebrate the transmission of Mrs McGinty's Dead on ITV we have chosen Mrs McGinty's Dead as this month's topic.
Warning: These discussions may contain spoilers!
vansittart on 24 Sep 2008 at 8:05 a.m. GMT
This novel is interesting in that Mrs Christie concerns herself with the working classes both lower (Mrs McGinty, James Bentley, Bessie Burch, Maude Williams etc) and middle (the Rendalls, the Summerhayes etc). The village of Broadhinny and it's residents of all classes are well drawn and there is a nice sense of post war, withdrawn respectability where everyone knows each other but in reality they know very little about each other at all. There is a lovely piece of 'mood setting' towards the middle of the novel; Poirot and Mrs Oliver have more-or-less been accepted into the village (after some initial hostility) and are guests at a party on a summer's evening. After the party most of the guests walk back to the house of wheelchair-bound Mrs Upward to tell her all about it. Mrs Christie conjures up such a lovely, relaxed atmosphere and a perfect picture of a balmy summers night that you really want to be there. Then however she shatters it when Poirot produces photographs of the 'women victims'. Suddenly the relaxed atmosphere is gone and everyone is on edge once more. It's the last time you see these people so relaxed because soon there is a second murder!
The mystery is a good one and unfolds slowly and I like the novels where Mrs Christie deals with a disparate group of friends and neighbours, most of whom are very well drawn. There are a couple of excellent portraits of disappointed youth in James Bentley and Deirdre Henderson as well as the more energetic youth of Maude Williams. This is the second appearance in a Poirot novel of Mrs Oliver and although she has less to do here than in the later novels, her presence in welcome. Mrs Christie must have enjoyed writing the exchanges between Mrs Oliver and Robin Upward who is adapting one of her works for the stage. Overall I found it a very good book although still not one of my very favourites.
Holly on 24 Sep 2008 at 1:42 p.m. GMT
I particularly enjoyed those exchanges between Mrs Oliver and Robin Upward. I should imagine those parts were quite autobiographical, and while they made for some of the lighter moments in the novel, I think they made one appreciate an author's frustration at having playwrights or movie-makers "butcher" their stories. In fact, sometimes when watching the more recent adaptations, I'd like to get the film-makers to read these exchanges between Robin and Ariadne, and get an idea of what AC herself would think of having her characters and plots changed like that. But that is a subject for another discussion :)
KingOfCrime on 25 Sep 2008 at 9:41 p.m. GMT
lady_horbury on 25 Sep 2008 at 10:56 p.m. GMT
Dear Guest Editor:
I will have to get this book and catch up with you on the reading. I would like to read with you and others and comment!
What book will be read next month so that I can go ahead and get the book if I don't have it already? I hope we can read The Hollow soon. It is my favorite and would be a good choice for this time of year, since it takes place in September!
I know everyone is excited about the movie of Mrs. McGinty coming out, but I haven't gotten it yet where I live. I will read AC's original first, and then when I see the movie, I will know the true story as AC intended it to be!
go_leafs_nation on 26 Sep 2008 at 3:26 a.m. GMT
vansittart on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:09 p.m. GMT
dada222 on 27 Sep 2008 at 8:17 a.m. GMT
I read MCginty very recently , just some weekends ago, and it was amazing! Definitely one of the top 10 of Poirot! I recommend it to anyone!
apolena on 30 Sep 2008 at 12:36 p.m. GMT
What I most like on Mr. McGintys Dead? Probably the same fact as in Sad Cypress – for suspisious one looks the case as hopeless (was even condemned) – not for Poirot!
I like it, when there are seemingly no new tracks, everything shows only one possible solution – and at the end is everythig otherwise.
drdavid on 30 Sep 2008 at 2:24 p.m. GMT
german_sheppard on 03 Oct 2008 at 3:38 p.m. GMT
Bonini on 05 Oct 2008 at 6:22 p.m. GMT
Ferguson_37 on 07 Oct 2008 at 4:36 p.m. GMT
squatty on 09 Oct 2008 at 7:19 p.m. GMT
thatcher on 14 Oct 2008 at 12:49 a.m. GMT
I love the trials and tribulations of Ariadne Oliver in her "collaboration" with our dear upcoming playwright Robin Upward. Its delicious, especially in her exasperation with his supreme obliviousness to her opinions on the matter.
I think this is the book which opens with Poirot ruminating on food and the fact that there are only three meals a day. I love this whole discussion. It sometimes mirrors the way I think. Ah food!
And then the scene where Poirot goes to view the body of Mrs. McGinty and comments that she must have been an attractive woman at one time. Its a wonderful quick sketch of a tragedy that we barely get a glimpse of, but it makes Mrs. McGinty real.
I have read all Christie murders at least 20 times if not more. Nowadays I read them more for these small quick sketches that are so evocative. Christie writes just a few words but they are words that stir my imagination to supply the rest of the picture. Wonderful talent!
GKCfan on 24 Oct 2008 at 5:32 a.m. GMT
Marc_Anton on 24 Oct 2008 at 2:36 p.m. GMT
GKCfan on 25 Oct 2008 at 12:11 a.m. GMT
Marc_Anton on 25 Oct 2008 at 5:53 a.m. GMT
The sugar hammer always struk me as slightly out of place in the novel. It sounded a bit too exotic for such an ordinary town with such plain people (I know some had a colonial background). Also, this particular weapon had no real function (except for bashing in Mrs. McGinty's head), since it was never found near the crime place nor did it indicate to a certain person (during the first crime investigation by the police).
Why then did the murderer go through so much trouble? There must have been other blunt instruments that were easier to find and to dispose of. Did you not think that is was rather a coincidence that Poirot's attention was imediately drawn to this particular object? Of all the other tools that are ususally found in a normal household, he noticed this one. So you are right, I think Christie must have been familiar with this particular tool.
By the way, it was not until the recent TV-episode of the book that I realised what a really ugly thing it was! No wonder it was constantly on offer at different jumble sales and church bazars; everybody wanted to get rid of it.
Christie sometimes used certain murder methods from her own experience, like the complicated way of poisoning in 'Styles', something she must have encountered during her time working in the dispensary. Do you think she ever fired a real gun just to find out how it felt or how loud the bang would be? It must have been important for her to know. Sometimes in her books a gun makes a loud noice (A Murder is Announced) but most of the time it just goes: Pop! (Death on the Nile, Murder at the Vicarage).
Towards_Zero on 25 Oct 2008 at 11:30 a.m. GMT
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I have read this book many years ago. As far as I remember, the most impressive aspect of Mrs McGinty's Dead was the complicated challenges of dark side of human soul among low-class people. This time, we are not in a nobleman's family but in a village. The basic structure of this book, is very similar to that of After the Funeral which is not surprising since the latter has been written one year after the former. Although the frame seems to be identical, the details are beautifully independent and new. This is one of those books that are more likely to be a Marple story, rather than a Poirot one and also one of those books that you would like it even more if you re-read it (which is a general characteristic of her all psychology-based books) .
GKCfan on 25 Oct 2008 at 8:30 p.m. GMT
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This is definatly the best poirot i have seen so far, recommend it to all poirot fans!!