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The Ten "Offenders"

go_leafs_nation 15 Apr 09 at 10:50 p.m. GMT

Something is rotten in Agatha Christie Land...

Here are ten Christie novels that haven’t been treated to a “proper” film/TV adaptation. I start at #10 (smallest “offender”) and proceed until #1 (worst “offender”). Most of these contain minor spoilers of some sort, but anything major that could ruin the book has been marked off by spoiler warnings.

10. The Murder at the Vicarage

Both the Joan Hickson version and the Geraldine McEwan version of “The Murder at the Vicarage” are reasonably close adaptations—but both are just short of getting it perfectly right.

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For instance, the gunshot at the wrong time was solved differently in both. The GM version handled it a bit more realistically than the JH version: the wire cables working their way into Mary’s romantic subplot seemed farfetched in the latter. The JH version also deleted Dr. Stone and Co., along with a bunch of fun characters. The GM version kept these, but also made some controversial changes: a minor poison-pen subplot, turning Dr. Stone and his secretary into the DuFosses, etc.

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Although these adaptations are fun to watch, they are not really a “proper” representation on screen.

9. Dumb Witness

“Dumb Witness” made many changes to the book that just took away from its dramatic potential. The climax is dumbed down from an emotional climax to a boring, “one-of-the-people-in-this-room-is-a-killer” climax. And this is one of the earlier Poirots, so, cinematically, the film technique is less refined.

8. Taken at the Flood

The first 2/3 of “Taken at the Flood” was positively brilliant: reasonably close both in plot and in tone to the book, despite being set in a different time period. However, in the last third, unforgivable changes take place that really took away from the film’s dramatic potential: the changes just don’t work, and to be honest, they just seem weird. The "almost explosive" climax epitomizes the strange, seemingly rather forced changes, as if the plot alterations were made just for the heck of it, in order to provoke controversy.

7. Nemesis

Like The Murder at the Vicarage, neither the JH or GM adaptations have gotten the book just right. At times, the novel got quite boring, I will freely admit. Atmosphere and character drove the novel, not the plot. So, plot alterations were almost a given for TV. The McEwan version went overboard though, introducing everything from nuns to Nazis.

Of the two, the JH version came much closer to the book, but it was somewhat spoiled by a few things: the (rather pointless) Michael Rafiel scenes; the unnecessary character of Lionel, and of course the change of murder weapon in a certain scene, just to name a few. As a result, the atmosphere is somewhat different than the one that I felt reading the novel. (Some of the changes actually helped clarify a few of the book’s loopholes though!)

6. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

This adaptation is the reason why I’m opposed to having Hastings, Japp, and Miss Lemon appear in adaptations of novels they weren’t in. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd was positively ruined by Japp’s appearance, and the shootout at the end was just plain pointless. I was disappointed with the result, particularly of such a classic novel.

5. The Mystery of the Blue Train

We’ve only seen one adaptation of this so far: David Suchet’s rather liberal TV adaptation. Rather than looking for differences between novel and adaptation, you’ll make your list shorter by looking for similarities. Although I admit enjoying the adaptation, it’s just not done right.

4. Appointment With Death

Both Peter Ustinov and David Suchet have tried their hand with Appointment With Death, and both of them have failed. Ustinov’s version is more similar to the novel than Suchet’s (what a surprise!), but it’s fairly liberal itself. However, the Ustinov version positively fails to build any suspense at all: cinematically speaking, it’s just plain dull. Although Suchet’s version is a complete rewrite, it succeeds in building suspense and making a slightly interesting new story. However, this doesn’t excuse all the changes that were made.

3. Hercule Poirot’s Christmas

Once more, the presence of Japp hinders the entire film. His presence greatly takes away from the original story, rather than adding as it was originally hoped. Hercule Poirot’s Christmas is doused liberally with dramatic plot alterations as well, and it quite terribly made as a movie: the opening scene completely gives away the solution and motive. They were (in the book) ingeniously concealed yet also paraded in front of the reader. Definitely the wrong way to treat such a fine book.

2. The Sittaford Mystery

The only television adaptation we have seen is McEwan’s, and we all know how dreadful that was. The acting was horrendous on the most part. The romantic subplot is overplayed, and causes the mushiest scene in AC film history (the bathtub scene) to be shot. The script is dreadful, practically a complete rewrite from the original book. It also fails to build suspense, intrigue, and (to be quite honest) mystery.

1. Cards on the Table

The greatest letdown of all time. The first 58 minutes of Cards on the Table were brilliant, and quite faithful to the book. Then, Nick Dear (the screenwriter) let it all go down the drain. Homosexuality, role reversals, removed deaths, changed motives… They all played major roles in the film’s failure. By the end, the film becomes quite ridiculous: a theory that a “detective” was the killer is obviously a waste of time; the dagger is seen protruding from Mr. Shaitana before this “suspect” even gets to examine the corpse.

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In addition, the huge character swap between Rhoda and Anne is quite unforgivable. According to the Honeysuckle Weekes interview I have in my version of Cards on the Table, she accepted the role of Rhoda because she wanted to be the “baddie” for once.

It raises an interesting question: did anyone other than Nick Dear read the book? Particularly David Suchet, who praises the series for being “faithful to the novels”. To prove his point, he reads an excerpt from Taken at the Flood, where Poirot’s eccentricities provide him with a vital clue (people who read it should know what I refer to). He points out this is exactly what HE does in the TV adaptation of Taken at the Flood. But this similarity is extremely minor in light of the other changes, that it becomes insignificant. Yet Suchet fails to acknowledge these plot liberties?

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And that is the end of the list: these 10 “offenders” haven’t been treated to a “proper” screen adaptation. Will they ever be?

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GKCfan 18 May 11 at 4:56 a.m. GMT

Well said, go_leafs_nation, well said.

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anonymoose_au 25 Jul 10 at 12:06 p.m. GMT

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I have to say I thought Suchet's <i>Appointment with Death</i> was utterly ridiculous, it was changed so much it didn't resemble the book at all! I actually saw it before reading the book and didn't even realise it!

Not to mention the whole method of murder was terribly convoluted and didn't make much sense if you thought about. And what was with the nun?!

I did enjoy the Peter Usinov version - at least it had all the original characters in it! Although the musical score was so completely out of step when you consider the story's about a tryannical, sadistic mother as to be funny!

Nofret 20 Jul 10 at 9:17 p.m. GMT

Yes, I agree, MissQ, and it seems that the recent adaptations are getting further and further away from the originals.

Another thing that annoys me is when a key element in the plot is completely omitted, such as in Murder in Mesopotamia the importance of the nurse's evidence, and the reason she was employed. Also, in Murder on the Blue Train the reason that the victim's face was disfigured was NOT because the killers got their kicks from it, but so that she could not be identified by the train's steward.

By the way, on the subject of terrible adaptations, did anyone see the version of Ordeal by Innocence which was released in the 80's? It started with the police bursting into a flat where 2 people, I think Mickey and Tina, were in bed together, Mickey turns to the policemen and says "Meet my sister" And it went downhill from there, aided by the most intrusive, screechy jazz score!

MissQuin 27 May 10 at 3:29 p.m. GMT

I confess, I couldn't wacth the Sittaford Mystery to the end. It was too embarassing to watch!

Ive enjoyed the recent Murder is Announced, The moving finger and Body in the library. They were entertaining. But TSM has to be the adaptation with the worst changes ever. It was senseless. What bewilders me is how people I know are really excellent actors, could come across as so contrived and stupid?

The most unforgivable change is of course, changing the murderer.

go_leafs_nation 26 May 10 at 9:31 p.m. GMT

Of course, I loved it. It's a masterpiece of modern filmmaking. The comedy is simply brilliant: watch how hilarious the whole thing is when the second corpse is discovered.

Ah, who am I kidding? This, along with Why Didn't They Ask Evans?, is the most embarassing entry into the whole series. I don't mind changes all that much- they can be done well, as in By The Pricking of My Thumbs, A Murder is Announced, or 4:50 From Paddington. But simply everything failed here, and some really shabby direction was trying to pass itself off as stylish.

MissQuin 26 May 10 at 7:56 p.m. GMT

Go leafs: "The only television adaptation we have seen is McEwan’s, and we all know how dreadful that was. The acting was horrendous on the most part. The romantic subplot is overplayed, and causes the mushiest scene in AC film history (the bathtub scene) to be shot. The script is dreadful, practically a complete rewrite from the original book. It also fails to build suspense, intrigue, and (to be quite honest) mystery."

Ive just watched the Sittaford Mystery and I was utterly appalled beyond words. Ive sat through Nemesis, with Nazi's and Nuns, but I couldn't sit through this utter claptrap. In the scene when the falcon dropped off it's perch dead, I knew just how that bird felt.

Not even the ouja board scene could interest me, when they called out to the spirits "is anybody there?" They should have spelt this out with the glass: N.O...B.U.T.... I.M... B.O.R.E.D... T.O... D.E.A.T.H.

 Oh and the bathtub scene? Well it was bad, Charles should have poured ice cubes in there. Even James Murray, whose rather attractive couldn't liven up procedings.

 But I thought the ski scene and all the snow scenes were the worst scenes in the history of Chrisite adapts. You could see it was fake! It looked like cotton wool. Let's hope the people responsible, never attempt to remake Dr Zhivago.

Anyone else hate it as much? or did anyone actually enjoy it?

Tommy_A_Jones 29 Aug 09 at 10:33 a.m. GMT

I looked yesterday and the name of the Actor is Jamie Belman, he recently appeared in Midsomer Murders.

Tommy_A_Jones 27 Aug 09 at 12:53 p.m. GMT

James Warwick might be too old now, I wonder if he has a son?, I saw an actor in Midsomer Murders a couple of weeks ago, I bet he could play Anthony Cade, pity I didn't look to see what his name is.

anthony_cade 26 Aug 09 at 10:07 p.m. GMT

Thanks, TheMole! Yes, Anthony Cade is my favourite character - and I can't imagine any actor or adaptation being able to do justice to him, or to The Secret of Chimneys! Though I'd love it if they managed to. Having checked out the more faithful adaptations you suggested (thanks! They're great!) I'm pretty sure that if we were in the 70s or 80s, the safe money would be on the part going to James Warwick...!

Lone_Wolf 23 Aug 09 at 9:31 p.m. GMT

It was  "emo"? That's a really lame ciritism, d00d.

AndThenThereWasTim 23 Aug 09 at 9:05 p.m. GMT

Thought I haven't seen many of the shows Leafs brings up I Totally agree about Cards on the Table. I Enjoyed the book and was awating the DVD to come from netflix but when I finally got it and watched it I hated it so much I contimplated breaking it so Netflix wouldn't have a copy. Changing the motives TWICE to conform to the directors desire to add scandle. it did not make ANY sence at all. The Murder is Announced Character is debatable as ive said in many posts. One adapt I didn't like was Suchet Death on the Nile. I Thought Miss. Ottobourne (Young) was not innocent enough. She seemed almost emo as the adaptation almost seemed emo as well. Though not as true to the book I liked the Ustinov version much better. Olivia Hussy Angela Lansbury, Maggie Smith, and David Niven were much more entertaining. The quality of the film making seemed more authentic and real as well because (since it was only about 15 years after the actual time period the didnt try and Modernize it which I think is the downfall of 90% of the bad adaptations which Im sorry to say are not few and far between

Tommy_A_Jones 23 Aug 09 at 2:22 p.m. GMT

I will have to re-read the book and then watch the Suchet version and then I might have to re-think my opinion

Lone_Wolf 23 Aug 09 at 1:34 p.m. GMT

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" he was a pathetic man I thought thinking he had a chance with a young beautiful girl"

Sure, but I imagined him as being more superficially charming and more tanned (he was described as having a sunburnt face). I imagine him as more Philip Lombard-ish in his looks. I don't remember Thora disliking him or something. And he certainly had enough suggestive power to make an impression on Cust, though the latter is admittedly weak-willed and easy to manipulate.

"consider them unimportant and harmless"

Revealing the plot twist way before it should've been is certainly not harmless. Since "the ABC murders" was the only Poirot adaption I watched in Russian, maybe the translators messed something up, but I doubt it.

Tommy_A_Jones 23 Aug 09 at 1:13 p.m. GMT

I admit I haven't read ABC for a while but I loved the Suchet version, I can't remember if he was bald in the book but I did think the portrayal was good, he was a pathetic man I thought thinking he had a chance with a young beautiful girl and Cust was portrayed excellently I thought I have only got 2 Suchet's at the moment and ABC is one of them, (The other is Evil Under The Sun being the other one and I only have that because It didn't occur to me I was ordering that one instead of the Ustinov one I wanted) so the Suche version of ABC is the only one I have which I meant to have (Although I do like the Suchet version of EUTS), if there are changes in ABC and 'Evil Under The Sun I consider them unimportant and harmless unlike some changes in some Adaptations.

Lone_Wolf 23 Aug 09 at 9:01 a.m. GMT

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"The ABC murders" with Suchet was just dreadful, IMO, with most of the casting not fitting my vision of the characters (Thora Grey speaking like her mouth is half paralyzed, Franklin Clarke as a rather pathetic-looking 50-something bald man) and Poirot giving the plot twist away at Doncaster, long before the final scene.

The beginning scene of Suchet's "Death on the Nile", while not exactly giving the plot twist away, can provide some ideas to people who are already on their guard for plot twists. I liked it, though, except Tim Allerton, with that sleazy moustache, totally didn't look like I imagined him.

Speaking of giving the plot twists away, Russian publishers of AC's books in English are very prone to it, with sometimes showing the murderers on the cover art, and including the quote that contains the plot twist on the back of the cover.

go_leafs_nation 14 Aug 09 at 2:29 p.m. GMT

I wasn't referring to your post. I was adressing why "the-scene-ruins-the-motive" doesn't apply.

TheMole 14 Aug 09 at 1:09 p.m. GMT

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go_leafs_nation

You have a hold of the wrong end of the stick when it comes to Suchet's Death on the Nile. Chronologically, the scene came before Simon and Lynette met and fell in love. It introduced the fact that Jackie and Simon were lovers before he met Lynette.

Go leafs, I am confused. Where in my post did I mention that "the scene" did not come before Simon and Linette become lovers? If I said other wise I will be more than glad to admit it, But I know that the beginning scene is before Simon ever met Linette. I also know that that first scene between Jackie and Simon also included them talking about their financal hardships, like when Simon said, "I'm broke, Jackie. What kind of a future is that?" To which Jackie says "I have some money that will see us though for a little while." etc. etc. And that quite possibly that was the scene when Jackie came up w/ her scheme to take all of Linette's money.

go_leafs_nation 13 Aug 09 at 10:18 p.m. GMT

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You have a hold of the wrong end of the stick when it comes to Suchet's Death on the Nile. Chronologically, the scene came before Simon and Lynette met and fell in love. It introduced the fact that Jackie and Simon were lovers before he met Lynette.

TheMole 13 Aug 09 at 5:18 p.m. GMT

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anthony_cade Death on the Nile (which I really liked) does this right at the beginning with a scene between two characters that isn't in the book. The person I was watching it with had never read the novel but guessed the murderer and plot simply because that added scene had put it in his mind.

I liked this version too (assuming you mean the Suchet one). But pray forgive me I have to disagree a little bit about the beginning scene w/ Jackie & Simon. Even though it was not in the book I can understand this time why the screenwriters felt the need to add that in: they wanted to add a bit of realism into it b/c after all AC did vaguely hint at it. Although ideally I would rather they not have added in that kind of scene! I also believe that they wanted to show how much Jackie cared for Simon so that it would seem like an even bigger deal when Linette stole him. Did it give the plot away? If you've read the book before (like me & you) or you're very observant then I say yes. But if you are just a regular watcher -- you know just watching it purely for fun (which usually is the audience the producers aim to please) -- then I don't think it gave it away. I really just think in this case it proves you & your friend are smart.

Also, when Jackie & Simon were talking about their financial hardships I think that was a good idea because it quickly summed up their background,  just like when Linette was conversing w/ Joanna she revealed herself to be rich but also catty and snobbish.Of course the screenwriters added one or two things that weren't suppose to be in there but it didn't ruin the emotional feel of the novel, at least for me. And it wasn't badly tattered like Nemesis was to the point where you didn't even know if this was a Christie book. In this particular adapt it still had AC's stamp.

go_leafs_nation 13 Aug 09 at 1:56 p.m. GMT

No, it was still considerably faithful. The changes were relatively minor. Besides, A Murder is Announced omitted some characters, 4:50 From Paddington left out a murder, certain characters are missing from A Pcoketful of Rye, The Moving Finger also has some changes, and The Murder at the Vicarage changed certain characters. But compare them to the series' standard for altering plots, and you'll see that they're the most faithful.

Tommy_A_Jones 13 Aug 09 at 1:32 p.m. GMT

I mwouldn't consider Towards Zero had been done faithfully as Miss Marple was added and Battle and the Scotsman were Omitted, 2 Characters I liked so was angry they weren't in the Adaptation.

go_leafs_nation 13 Aug 09 at 3:46 a.m. GMT

McGinty

As for A Murder Is Announced being the most faithful -  probably yes, and no.

A Murder is Announced, 4:50 From Paddington, The Moving Finger, The Murder at the Vicarage, Towards Zero, A Pocket Full of Rye

That's a list of the most faithful adaptations.

McGinty 12 Aug 09 at 5:26 p.m. GMT

Mr Pye in The Moving Finger was described by Christie as "an extremely lady-like plump little man" and "a middle aged spinster". Now whether she meant that to be understood as him being gay or not I really wouldn't like to say ! But considering some people don't 'read between the lines' when it comes to Hinchcliffe and Murgatroyd, no doubt there will be people lining up to tell me just how wrong I am and that Mr Pye was in fact a notorious womaniser, and no one was gay in England until 1967.

As for A Murder Is Announced being the most faithful -  probably yes, and no. Without revealing spoilers, in the book Miss Marple does reveal an unusual talent for voice impersonation - which thankfully every adaptation chooses to leave out, it being too silly for words.

Tommy_A_Jones 12 Aug 09 at 1:58 p.m. GMT

Am I right in thinking up to now 'A Murder Is Announced has been the most faithful of the 'Marple' series? (I am not including 'A Pocketful of Rye' or 'The Mirror Crack'd as Britain see it next month.)? and am I right in thinking it is the only book with Gay Characters? 

TheMole 11 Aug 09 at 7:06 p.m. GMT

anthony_cade

Anyone like to mention ones that manage to avoid both these pitfalls?! Thanks!

Hello Anthony Cade! Great moniker, btw. He's one of my favorite characters. If they ever do an adaptation of this (hoping against hope that Miss Marple isn't involved in it) I wonder who'd they get to play him.

But back to your question there are several Christie adapts that stay faithful to the original novel. Many of them date back to the seventies and eighties i.e. the first version of Why Didn't They Ask Evans, Partners in Crime, Endless Night and also The Seven Dials Mystery. All of these are not only pretty faithful to the plot and culprit(s) etc (particularly 7 Dials) but the character's persona stays the same, of course sometimes it depends on how good the actor or actress is. For example Cheryl Campbell who played Bundle Brent (my favorite AC character ever!) she didn't really look like what I pictured Bundle to be but she portrayed her as spunky, fun-loving and energetic which of course is how the real Bundle is. I am not sure why they were so faithful back then...

But there are a lot that don't stay faithful and more's the pity. I think they need to just stop putting Miss Marple in books where she doesn't belong. I think that's one of the reasons why the non series books have changed so much, it is because since they are adding in MM the screen writers figure that they can add in their own plots and ideas to her stories. Probably putting MM in stories where she doesn't belong was like they were testing the waters, to see how far they could go.

Tommy_A_Jones 11 Aug 09 at 10:49 a.m. GMT

I cannot think of any examples at the moment Anthony but that is because I haven't sat down and thought about Adaptations that give the game away but as for the rest of your post I would like to Congratulate you, I also saw read the Justification for the Changes in the Marple Episodes and I too feel if you haven't read the books the real solutions should be the ones you see and if you are a fan and haven't read the books you watch because you want to see the books tdone properly, ITVs justification puts me in mind of the Tim Curry film based on the game Clue perhaps in the future Books should have many ending so People adapting them can choose which ending to use and every time they repeat the film it will be a surprise for people but until then People doing adaptations of Books should do them properly. Go_leafs I have also re-read your post and dissagree about Nemesis, I didn't think the book was boring in parts and liked Lawrence, I felt Miss Marple needed a companion in Nemesis but perhaps if not Lawrence maybe Cherry could have accompanied her as quite often it was mentioned Miss Marple was getting frail, I disliked the GM version as Nemesis and felt having Raymond portrayed as a Womaniser just added to my annoyance even though I don't like Raymond and like Richard E. Grant I thought the part was stupid and should the part should have been condemed to the cutting room floor along with the idea of Nuns although I do like lateral thinking Nursing Sisters would have been better if they must us the word sister laterally. I did however think parts of 'Murder At The Vicarage' was boring in parts but I assume trying out a new Character is like a First-time Book so I for give the boring parts but including Stone and Co would have made it a bit too long and then people might not have wanted to read more. I haven't seen the Suchet version of 'Appointment With Death' but feel the Book left an unanswewd question and possibly the Ustinov version answers it.

anthony_cade 10 Aug 09 at 9:02 p.m. GMT

Go leafs- great post- I completely agree. (Yes, I know it was way back in April, but I've just found this website and your post caught my eye!) My main irritation is not the little changes to make something work on screen, but the vast changes in character and murderer. I know that one of the justifications given for the changes when "Marple" was first broadcast was that the denouments would be as unexpected and shocking as the original books were for their audiences. This really annoys me. If you haven't read them, her original plots are quite surprising and ingneious enough- that's whay she's so famous! And if you are a fan of her books, then you want an adaptation that is faithful at least to her plots and characters, if not to every detail. Even the way they change a character from appealing to unpleasant really annoys me; for instance, Derek Kettering in the Blue Train. (Don't get me started on the rest of this adaptation!) Occasionally I'm ok with some changes to character - like the addition of the romantic-plot police officer in 4.50 from Paddington, but generally speaking I think those adapting the novels should realise that fans invest a great deal in the charaters - who to like, who to trust, who the murderer is- and when they mess with this, it's not a marvellous surprise, it's a complete let down. (SORT-OF!) SPOILER AHEAD! The other gripe I have is when screen versions give too much away. I agree with you about Hercule Poirot's Christmas. Death on the Nile (which I really liked) does this right at the beginning with a scene between two characters that isn't in the book. The person I was watching it with had never read the novel but guessed the murderer and plot simply because that added scene had put it in his mind. It seems to me that most screen adapatations are either wrecked by being too altered, or true to the novel but give the surprise away! Anyone like to mention ones that manage to avoid both these pitfalls?! Thanks!

Tommy_A_Jones 20 Jul 09 at 1:15 p.m. GMT

I don't quite understand Boomcoach, are you saying that fan-produced web based episodes are episodes written and acted by fans using established characters? If so I have often thought it would be good to do something like that, I tried to do it twice by trying to write Hancock episodes but didn't finish either of them, I have often thought of doing the same with ACs Characters, I personally think ITV should have done that rather than put Miss Marple in AC books where she doesn't belong, they have been doing it with Midsomer Murders since series 2 so why not ACs Characters?

Boomcoach 20 Jul 09 at 12:06 p.m. GMT

WINNE, Star Trek fans have produced, and published to the web, several amateur episodes, some of which are pretty good.  There are also web series, "Mercury Men" being one in production now, that are essentially TV episodes published on the web.

I do not know if the AC fanbase is large enough, or geeky enough (I say this as an admitted geek) to manage this.

go_leafs_nation 19 Jul 09 at 11:26 a.m. GMT

I found myself thinking of this topic today, particularly the adaptation of The Murder of Roger Ackroyd. I still consider it one of the biggest letdowns of the Poirots. The move that I hated was having Poirot read the killer's journal of events. However, the initial setup for this (I'm thinking of the first few shots) are extremely well-done, visually speaking. I'd be proud of that if it were my own work.

That's pretty much the only defense I can think of for the TV adaptation of "Ackroyd".

Tommy_A_Jones 09 Jul 09 at 11:19 a.m. GMT

Pardon me for being dim but what are fan-produced web episodes? I was just thinking perhaps a book like 'Why |Didn't They Ask Evans might best be tackled in Episodes like they used to do with P. D. James's Adam Dalglish Books but then somebody decided viewers didn't want that anymore which was a shame and now for some reason the whole story has to be told in 1 two-hour session (With adverts or 90minutes without adverts, Madness!

Boomcoach 09 Jul 09 at 10:48 a.m. GMT

shanty_sleuth, I would certainly agree that "Why Didn't They Ask Evans" was very long and slow, which highlights why changes to the story are inevitable as one goes from book to another media.  The BBC version of "Evans" follows the book quite completely.  What is a pleasant pace in a book can be a sleep-inducing 20 minutes in a movie.

I think that to get faithful versions of some of these stories we might need to hope for fan-produced web episodes someday.  I don't there are enough Christie fans to get it done currently (compared to Star Wars or Star Trek fans), but that may be our best hope.

Tommy_A_Jones 08 Jul 09 at 11:08 a.m. GMT

Perhaps just to satisfy your curiosity you should watch them and if you have the Versions shanty sleuth is referring to you could cheer yourself up by watching them, That is what I am planning to do when Brittain finally gets to see them although prthaps not Murder is Easy as I didn't like it as much as other films I have seen like 'Why Didn't They Ask Evans?' or The Man In The Brown Suit.

shanty_sleuth 08 Jul 09 at 4:38 a.m. GMT

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I think it'd be best that you don't see Murder is Easy and Why Didn't They Ask Evans?, drwatson. Neither of these adaptations do their books justice. The '80s versions are much, much better, even though Murder is Easy was modernized and Why Didn't They Ask Evans? was far too long for its own good. I'd rather watch them than the new ones, with all of that unnecessary talk of abortion and snake venom.

drwatson 08 Jul 09 at 2:51 a.m. GMT

My major problem with the adaptations is the inclusion of Miss Marple in everything. The sittiford mystery does not have her it at all in the book but it seems that the creators of the last mess think that people will only watch if Marple is in it. Is Christie not the most sold book in history next to Shakespeare, Give your viewers the benefit of the doubt and produce the non Marple and Poirot books as they were written. I will not be watching why didn't they ask Evans or Murder is Easy as Miss Marple was not in either of them. I have too much interest in  the other detectives of Christie to watch something that does not include them as the main characters.

Tommy_A_Jones 04 May 09 at 1:16 p.m. GMT

I haven't read the Poirot and Miss Marple stories yet so I don't know and don't want to know what the changes were, there is something in one of them and I'm looking forward to seeing if it was actually in the story, just like I can't remember if something in ABC was actually in the book or added so am looking forward to re-reading it to see, Also I think Colonel Carbury is in one of the Poirot short stories but only appearsd in 1 Novel I think Mr Petherick is like that with the Miss Marple books he appears in the Thirteen Problems and I think in only 1 book although I haven't read it yet.

go_leafs_nation 04 May 09 at 11:20 a.m. GMT

I didn't really include the short stories when it came to this list, because changes were needed on the most part to expand them for a 50-minute program. But I do regret a few of the changes that were made (The Dream especially, one of my favourite Poirot short stories).

Tommy_A_Jones 18 Apr 09 at 3:15 p.m. GMT

robroy, I don't think you soumd like a grumpy old man at all in fact I think it's good to hear from a writer's point of view all though I think the 'Roger Ackroyed Adaptation improved the book. "ABC Murders" and "Death On The Nile" are 2 of my Favourite Poirot Stories but probably because of that or because it is a while since I read them I didn't remember that changes had been made and as a result I loved these Adaptations where as "Cards On The Table is another of my favourite books but I hated that one but I would just say although the Miss Marple short stories would have to be padded out and changes would have to be made I still wish someone would still do them for the Television, I have an Audio Cassette of the Thirteen Problems but I still wish they had been dramatised for Radio. 

robroy64 17 Apr 09 at 6:50 p.m. GMT

As someone who tried to adapt "The Mystery of the Spanish Chest" for BBC Radio 4- it wasn't accepted, by the way!- I can understand the need to make the occasional change for legitimate reasons. For example, a lot of the short stories adapted for TV probably need a bit of "padding", for example, to allow them to make a 50-odd minute programme, but, in my opinion, a lot of the adaptations done recently (of the novels) have left a lot to be desired, in my opinion, mainly because of some bizarre changes, to say the least. For example, the changes to the denouments of "Ackroyd" and the GM "Body In The Library" were totally un-necessary. See also my posting on "Sittaford". A lot of the earlier adaptations, such as the "ABC Murders" and "Death In The Clouds" are very well done, in spite of some small changes to the latter. Sorry if I sound like a grumpy old man. Agatha Christie is the best author in the world, in my opinion.

squatty 17 Apr 09 at 5:47 p.m. GMT

I may have been a bit harsh there go-leafs. I'll re-watch it over the weekend.

I do acknowledge that it must be a buggar of a book to film. The pace is very leisurely, the murder doesnt happen until the end of the book and there are very few suspects. In all the GM movies, the pace is far from leisurely and the films can become claustrophobic with the astonishing number of suspects. Also, there seems to be a general rule that a murder has to take place within the first fifteeen minutes otherwise the viewer might switch off.

go_leafs_nation 17 Apr 09 at 2:40 p.m. GMT

I find myself disagreeing there. I really loved the JH version of At Bertram's Hotel, much more than the McEwan version, even if the new one tried packing in more action to "spice it up" a bit. It's a very appropriate adaptation of the book: it has that nice, cozy, feeling that the book did.

As for the McEwan version: ridiculous. The "clues" are visual hints that you can easily mistake as goofs on the part of the filmmakers. And the whole "watch" explanation? Ridiculously lame- it'd never stand up in court. Plus I hated the "Miss-Marple-In-Training" Idea.

Off topic: I love how I can bold texts now. Of course, the italics effect I prefer using for titles won't work, but bolding them is just as good a substitute.

Tommy_A_Jones 17 Apr 09 at 2:32 p.m. GMT

I have never read 'At Bertrams Hotel but I hated that Character squatty.

squatty 16 Apr 09 at 6:02 p.m. GMT

Brilliant post go-leafs. I agree with all the points you raise.

I dont remember a thread here about the TV adaptation of Roger ackroyd but for me it is one of the most disappointing of the canon. The murderer in the book is well drawn and a fairly sympathetic character, making the denoument even more shocking. In the TV version, he is presented as bland. The end shoot-out is ridiculous and looks like a poor 1950s student short film.

I would make one change to the list. Not sure which title I would remove but At Bertrams Hotel has to be in there somewhere. The JH version was dull but the GM version is incomprehensible; making the waitress into a mini-Marple; the Nazi sub-plot, the strange American twins. Ghastly

Tommy_A_Jones 16 Apr 09 at 3:13 p.m. GMT

Probably not as these days everything has to be 'relevent' and so much of Christies books would not be considered suitable for todays PC society and Television Companies are too busy worrying about wether people are going to be offended if minority groups aren't catered for that's why we had the 'Body In The Library' change and the 'Cards On The Table' fiasco